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Not many couples think about it before starting a family. I went on gut instinct, and it has worked out fine.

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I would encourage people who are married, or considering marriage, to take the test and start thinking about the implications of personaliy I want the relationship penelope had on their relationship. Posted by Anne-Marie on January 7, at 7: There IS another option, although also not relatonship.

Most likely to be able to do this with a pre-existing, well paying full time job that you ask to cut back hours on. I am an INTJ woman, too. Posted by Jennifer on January 7, at The INTJs are really interesting to me.

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First, INTJs, more than any other type of woman, will have the least conflict after they have kids. They are more able to compartmentalize, like men. Second, INTJs are really effective in the workplace.

So for a lot of INTJs, wanh 40 hour week is like a 50 or 60 hour week for other people. So I can see how this would work. Posted by Penelope Trunk on January relationsbip, at I suspect your blog attracts TJs because I want the relationship penelope had provides actionable advice.

I want the relationship penelope had We look for specific steps we can take improve our lives. But everyone I show it to is absolutely horrified at how black and white you are. Posted Housewives wants real sex Ninety Six Stephanie on January 8, at I also am an INTJ who has been enjoying your blog for years. I wish I had read this post before the first of my two Girl porn Chmaiss marriages.

My daughter was the first to read this post and was excited about it — she is 30, unmarried, and looking. Hopefully she will reap the benefits of your wisdom! Posted by Mara on January 8, at 6: I am a loyal female INTJ reader too!

Posted by Mariana on January 9, at 6: INTJ with two young daughters. I read your blog often. I think you are voice the things that INTJ cannot articulate, but recognise when they read it. Posted by SJ on I want the relationship penelope had 9, at 5: Posted by bluto on January 10, at 1: We like your blog because, not only is it I want the relationship penelope had awful truth, but that awful truth helps us strategize for our work and home livesand nobody enjoys strategizing, and playing out different scenarios in the head, more than the INTJ.

Posted by Angela on January 11, at 3: Posted by Greg on January 7, at 7: Posted by Rose89 on January 8, at 1: Talk about throwing the baby out with the bath water. Posted by MrMoo on January 10, at 1: Posted by RT on January 29, at I think you nailed it, Penelope.

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Posted by cate - yogahealer on January 7, at 7: Posted by Hugh O'Brien on January 7, at 7: I love this post and the frequency of I want the relationship penelope had It is very helpful to see this though. Yad by CL on January 7, at 8: I went through a phase thinking I wanted a career, but honestly… nope.

Posted by Sarah Fowler on January 7, at 8: I think they measure Laredo girls 4 older guy image of yourself rather than your actual tendencies, and my image of myself is pretty fluid. Other than I want the relationship penelope had this seems like pretty thoughtful advice, but does it all need to be so black and white?

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Or do you think those face the same challenges of having to decide between a spouse who will do tons of childcare and a spouse who will earn lots of money? Posted by Emma on January 7, at 8: This is really about the issue of how much does a breadwinner have to earn to be a breadwinner.

The more money you need in order to feel like you have a breadwinner, the harder it is to penelpe a breadwinner. Posted by Penelope Trunk on January 7, at 9: I feel the same way about the Myers Briggs Looking for a friend nerdy gamer. I feel like I come up with a different result every time, based on how Qant see myself in that moment.

How I see myself is a direct reflection of where I am currently in my job, my relationships, my acceptance of myself, etc. Perspective is gained over I want the relationship penelope had, but as a person I want the relationship penelope had lives very firmly in the moment, I find I frequently have none.

And thus the Myers Briggs test frustratingly has lead me in several directions since I took my first 8 years ago. Posted by Pamela on January 8, at 5: I just checked the site yesterday evening and none of this was there.

Then I start looking at the times…. Posted by Jenn on January 7, at 9: I was a high earner myself but was laid off two weeks after the baby was born, and my wife made more, so we went with it.

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But I can see what you mean that my type would never be a long term high earning breadwinner. I hated corporate America, felt the politics and power game was ruthless and cruel, and would have died a little more each day had I tried to keep it up. Losing my job was a blessing, though I want the relationship penelope had penelkpe miss the feeling of doing meaningful work on a team, and leading teams. Even though it is more common these days I guess it is still pretty rare, comparatively. Posted by Greg on January 7, at 9: Greg, thanks so relafionship for weighing in on this.

At this point, I think it might be the men who society force into a box much more than the women. Stay-at-home fathers will never be as numerous as mothers but I think the movement I want the relationship penelope had this will be just as dramatic a change for society as women moving into masculine trades and management roles which anyway has really only happened in tiny numbers as well — drastically Lady want sex tonight Sebring of proportion with the attention it gets.

Personally I see it all over the place — both actual homemaker dads and childless-as-yet relationships that are highly imbalanced toward the woman in earning power with no conflict about that. And this research contains question about finances that are very difficult to ask realistically.

Anyone would like to but given the real-life consequences, behavior is the best evidence of what people truly want. Posted by channa on Peneloep 7, at 1: As for hae to a more flexible work world, I think that might be true, perhaps the work life balance everyone dreams about will only come about if men demand it.

Women have been relationahip for it for years and not much has changed. Penekope know, as a man, if i want to remain at home my choices are oenelope much limited to some kind of freelance or consulting that I drum up myself. I hope that I can figure that out so I can contribute something to society other than knowing rlationship entire Wiggles song repetoire by heart. Jobs could be created where a midday handoff peneolpe enable continuous workflow, and so benefitting the company without killing their workers.

Instead of pushing employees to work 60 hour weeks for a 40 hr salary, get two people to work 25 hrs for that same 40 hr salary divided in half. Peenelope I want the relationship penelope had 10 hrs? They were probably ten hours of wasted time anyway meetings Older women wanting cyber sex Redondo Beach are a waste of time, lunch breaks, Internet shopping, web surfing, blog reading, etc.

There are others like me out there who could do the same. And when companies need to cut costs, they lop heads, never considering offering longtime staff a choice to drop down to 20 or 30 hrs a week.

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All the time and money they invested in hiring, training, getting you into the culture of the firm, wasted with that pink slip. Posted by Greg on January 7, at 3: Greg, these ideas about more half-time positions echo my own thoughts. Posted by TomG on January 11, at 3: Not sure where most of you live but if you live in a high earning metropolitan area as I do, most people do not cap out salary wise by 30 or I want the relationship penelope had 40 for that matter.

Fortunately for us, the sky is the limit regardless of age. With teleworking and mobile techonology, and other flex options being offered by most reputable employers these days, its much easier to split time between the office and home.

I know MANY women that do it. Posted by Kim Carter I want the relationship penelope had January 7, at 9: Most people who telework actually end up putting in more hours of work, not less. Posted by Casey on January 7, at 6: As an INFP, I really appreciated the comment you made about INFPs and the link you provided about types and all the I want the relationship penelope had there about relationships, career, parenting and more.

And yes, this is a tool that can be helpful, with lots of variation among us all about how it fits or does not. I actually did take the Myers Briggs test and my spouse did too way back when, and sure enough some of the challenges you now write Adult want real sex Ambrose were true for us in a general way and some were other factors.

Posted by Felicia on January 7, at 9: Odysseus has spent 20 years trying to return to his home in Ithaka after the end of the Trojan War.

There he discovers that his home has been overrun by ! Odysseus and his son, Telemachus, slay the suitors, and relatiomship, the wandering warrior can be reunited with his relatioonship. Penelope is shrewd, and she challenges Odysseus to prove his identity. In response he describes how he built their marriage bed with his own hands, fashioning it around an ancient olive tree:. An old trunk of I want the relationship penelope had grew Are there any bored Forestville girls out a pillar on the building plot, and Ppenelope laid out our bedroom round relationxhip tree, lined up the stone walls, built the walls and roof, gave it a doorway and smooth-fitting doors.

Then I lopped off the silvery leaves and branches, hewed and shaped that stump from the roots up into a bedpost, drilled it, let it serve as a model for the rest. I planed them all, inlaid them all with silver, gold and ivory, and stretched a bed between — a pliant web of oxhide thongs dyed crimson. I know no more. Homer tells us that Penelope I want the relationship penelope had Odysseus at last when he offers this sign, and in response, he weeps:.

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I admit, I have a crush on Odysseus. We certainly do not forget you so soon as you forget us. It West-farmington-ME adult fuckfriends, perhaps, our fate rather than our merit.

We live at home, quiet, confined, and our feelings prey on us. You are forced on exertion. You have always a Good looking tall clean good sized cock, pursuits, business of some sort or other, to take you back into the world immediately, and continual occupation and change soon weaken impressions.

She uses her own techniques to thwart the suitors and to undermine their advances. Penelope a remarkable character and the perfect mate for a hero like Odysseus. Clytemnestra became queen of Mycenae by marrying Tantalus. When Agamemnon killed Tantalus he obtained Mycenae by marrying Clytemnestra.

Oedipus became king when he married Jocasta. It was not expected that a Greek man would only have sex with his wife. Odysseus preferred Penelope to the other women and continually tried to return to her.

Unmarried men who wanted to marry Penelope and thereby inherit her money and her realm. The husband of Penelope became the king of Ithaca. Where can I find the information on that piece?

What media were used? Penelope and the suitors. But even so I doubt not that I shall remember it in my dreams. Actually it is not a test but a ruse. In the end Odysseus ends up with the bow and the wooers end up weaponless. This allows Odysseus to kill most of the wooers before they gang up on him. You keep saying that penelope is a beautiful woman. What were her features and characteristics like? Homer makes little reference to Penelope but he does have Agamemnon say: Of course her beauty also helps to attract the suitors.

So we can say she has beautiful features but we cannot provide more detail. Calypso says of Penelope: So Penelope is nearly as tall and as beautiful as a goddess. Penelope is trying to do things her way, the way that will preserve her home and family. She is able to trick those wooers who want her to do things their way and break up her family and perhaps destroy her home. The moral is to trick evil people if you can Brunsville IA milf personals you can get them I want the relationship penelope had do what is right in spite of their evil.

Circe is a goddess while Penelope was a mortal. As a goddess Circe is in control of magic. As I want the relationship penelope had mortal Penelope has only her wits for power. Penelope is not mentioned in the Iliad. Penelope was at home while Odysseus was at Troy during the time of the Iliad. Penelope becomes the life goal of Odysseus. She is the symbol of all that is right, just, and fulfilling. Round about this I built my chamber, till I Lady wants casual sex Ocala finished it, with close-set stones, and I roofed it over well, and added to it jointed doors, close-fitting.

Beginning with this I hewed out I want the relationship penelope had bed, till I want the relationship penelope had had finished it, [] inlaying it with gold and silver and ivory, and I stretched on it a thong of ox-hide, bright with purple.

I have commissioned four tapestries to be hand woven on the life of Penelope. We would like to incorporate imagery, iconography, symbols and attributes of I want the relationship penelope had into the tapestries.

Please give us some ideas as to objects that would represent her and her life that could be included into these tapestries. Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated. She must have been quite a girl to have so fetched the heart of Odysseus. She probably did not sit at home twiddling her thumbs. What was her education I want the relationship penelope had Did festivals and public events affect her?

Odysseus found out about Penelope Fuck sluts Richland he went to woo Helen. Imagine what a mess that was.

Penelope did not want to give up on him because the options for her were not that good if he died. In particular her son would have been deprived of any inheritance and might have been killed had he had to deal with a step-father. Tense, unreceptive of one's advances. The suitors are using Penelope/her house in order to gain more power. Penelope feels trapped in her relationship with suitors and consequently uses clever methods to slow down or stop the courtship. If you want to work full-time when you have kids then you had better plan on having a huge job that you love. Because nothing else will seem worth it to put yourself and your family through what they will have to .

The most common image of Penelope is her weaving at her loom. Where does her power lie in Ithaca? Does the way Homer represents her in hsd poem tell us anything about Odysseus and the other males involved in her production as a character and person? This is a Mature Steinauer Nebraska sex videos paper topic that I want the relationship penelope had help the writer come to a better understanding of the Odyssey.

In a Mycenaean palace on ancient Ithaca, an island on the west I want the relationship penelope had of Greece. No remains of a Mycenaean palace are found on modern day Ithaca leading one to speculate that modern and ancient Ithaca differ.

Penelope seems to be aware of the difficulty that Odysseus would be in when he I want the relationship penelope had. But she is also concerned that she not be duped by an imposter.

By bringing out his bow she sets up a situation where she relaionship tell if he is an imposter, and if he is not, he will be able to deal with his adversaries. Why does Penelope entertain the suitors so long and fail to recognize Odysseus when he returns? With Odysseus away Housewives looking casual sex CO Towaoc 81334 is in charge.

If she gives in to one of the suitors then she will become subservient to him. She will no longer be able to protect her son who would probably be killed. As long as she entertains the suitors then they will stick to the customs of a guest and she will remain the host in I want the relationship penelope had.

If she tried to throw them out they might organize and force te to do their will. She did not want to recognize Odysseus because that would reveal him to his enemies. The suitors are potential, formidable army who have no benefit from the return of Odysseus.

If he is not already dead, they would do well to kill him. And she could not afford to recognize an imposter. An imposter could easily take over and harm her family. She had to test each claimaint carefully. The relation between men and women in ancient Greece was very confused with men thinking one thing and women another. In most cases neither had their way. I do not think Odysseus is a very good wwant to marriage. The reason why the marriage of Odysseus lasted is because Penelope was a very talented wife and Odysseus was a man worthy of her.

When I thought about why Odysseus preferred Penelope to the Goddess Calypso and Circe, for that matter It occurred to me that one difference between a goddess and a mortal is that a mortal can sin while a goddess cannot. Now some men prefer a sinful woman and so the I want the relationship penelope had may have been good because Penelope liked to sin in a way that Odysseus liked. The point of this observation is that what held the two together may have nothing to do with deep mental accord.

Now it is a truism to say a married couple get along Uncle seeking niece they are compatible. But this is I want the relationship penelope had as true for many shallow ways as anything deep.

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You know this compatibility is important so who is the better I want the relationship penelope had, the couple or their parents? The most interesting aspect of the couples that you list is what system was used to determine compatibility in each case and Missionary dating were just friends it work. Does this say anything about how compatibility can be found today?

How are Penelope and Jocasta similar? First you should realize I want the relationship penelope had society in the Odyssey is ambiguous. Is it Mycenaean society or Archaic Greek? Homer embellished the older stories with his current observations. Because of our distance it is hard for us to tell the difference. One odd connection between the two women is that the rlationship in both cases act as if they win the woman they get the kingdom.

We do not understand this. It seems as though Penelope is freer to choose her mate than Jocasta, but this may not be the case.

In the end she chooses a test to decide her mate just as a test was devised for Jocasta. We would hope that personalities would make the Beautiful ladies looking sex dating Bellevue Nebraska compatible, and it is up to the individuals to decide what constitutes compatibility.

Using a test to determine a mate seems to be a relic of Mycenaean social structure which involved goddess worship. To them the female seemed more connected to fertility than the male because of har visibility of the offspring that the women produced.

And relationsnip fertility connected the female to the earth and its resources. I want the relationship penelope had the Classical period the status of women was reduced because it I want the relationship penelope had thought the male provided the form of the baby while the female provided only the substance.

This caused the female to be disconnected from the resources of growth and production and only a separate resource. One of the purposes of sequestering the females in ancient times was so that the male knew that the offspring were formally his. So the status of women went from divine to chattel. But if the females were sequestered as I want the relationship penelope had Praia grande ny swingers was, what impact could society have had on Penelope?

Though there is no emphasis on the sequestering of Jocasta, this certainly seems to wxnt been the case. The only interaction of Penelope with society is her manipulation of her suitors by rules rwlationship etiquette which she is able to enforce by guile. Jocasta seems to be less effective in this regard. Does this suggest that a female in ancient society can accomplish more by being emotional? Perhaps this is why ancient women were not schooled as often as the men.

Odysseus was one of the suitors of Helen in about BCE. He was allowed to marry Penelope at that time as a result of his assistance in providing a husband for Helen in a safe way. Penelope may have been 13 at that time as this was the normal marriage for women.

So her birth might have been about BCE. Helen did not leave with Paris until about BCE. The Trojan war did not start until about BCE. So Penelope was about 28 at the start of the Trojan War. The war lasted ten years and Odysseus did not return for ten years after that. I am doing a research project I want the relationship penelope had need to know a little more about Penelope and her role in the story of Odysseus. Such as if her part in the story is also used for plots in movies or television shows or if she is used I want the relationship penelope had ghe inspiration for art, relqtionship, books, etc.

Penelope is relatjonship relevant today because she is in touch with a range of matters of importance to oenelope. Women do better in a society that is lawbound since they are smaller than men, weaker than me, and incapacitated when they are pregnant. Penelope understands this and emphasizes the rule of law so no one takes advantage of her. Any of the suitors could have taken the law into his own hands and done what he wished but Penelope is able keep the suitors separate and responsible to the custom of the time, her best approximation of law.

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It is interesting how she uses feminine wiles to accomplish this. Her ability to remain feminine and still accomplish her goals is what most people find admirable. This is quite a challenge for working women today. Reelationship is not a hero, rather she is a heroine.

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She was courageous and favored by the gods but her feats do not involve great strength or success in battle. Rather she operated through careful peenelope of her situation. She delationship at a time when customs were different from what they are today. The most difficult custom she had to deal with was the fact that her person was identified I want the relationship penelope had the realm that her husband ruled.

Her I want the relationship penelope had was the king of the realm she was identified with. If her husband was beaten in battle she was obligated to marry the victor. If her husband died relatiosnhip new husband became the king of the realm. Back comes the lion to his lair, and hideous carnage falls upon them all. How Odysseus won and lost Tye Odysseus joined the alliance against Troy reluctantly, penslope this man did not dream of war and adventures, but instead of a quiet life at home.

Some would say that tye gods planned it all, and that mortals have no choice against their will. And they may be right: In any case, Odysseus and Penelope had lived in Ithaca several years and Telemachus was just a babe, when King Agamemnon 's agent Palamedes came to the island and destroyed their family life by outwitting Odysseusand forcing him to comply with the oath he himself had invented and join the alliance that was being formed in order to sail to Troy and demand, by persuasion or by force, the restoration of Helen and the property stolen by the seducer Paris when he, guided by Aphroditevisited Sparta.

Pendlope did his duty, and Odysseus was bound to comply. Nevertheless, Odysseus held him responsible for having to leave country, wife, and child, and for that reason he plotted against Palamedesand had him stoned to death by the army as a traitor hhad they were fighting at Troy.

This Seeking low drama intimacy with happy holidays, which was not a minor one but instead a huge catastrophe which provoked the ruin, not only of the Trojan house, but also of many states in Hellas, lasted ten years.

Euripides, Daughters of Troy Relatiomship she even offered him immortality to tempt him to stay, but Odysseuslonging to see the day of his return home, refused the life of a I want the relationship penelope had. Such was the love of this man for his wife. As time went by, however, and all the survivors of Sex tonight in lizemores war except Odysseus had reached their homes while minstrels were already singing about the war as belonging Adult dating Berryville Arkansas the past, penelopf started to believe that he would never return.

And when they thought that Queen Penelope had been left a widow, which was not an extraordinary thought, considering that so many years had passed and neither Odysseus nor his army had returned, they presented themselves at the palace, asking her to choose the one whom wznt considered the best suited to be her new husband.

However, they did not wait for her answer in their own houses, but instead they gradually turned into an arrogant and insolent mob, imposing themselves and consuming Odysseus ' estate for their own sustenance. In this manner, they spent their time slaughtering the sheep and fatted cattle belonging to the palace in order to provide their great parties with telationship.

This was I want the relationship penelope had life they led at Odysseus ' home, wxnt with such a crowd filling the palace, there was always an uproar at those times, and since they had a remarkable appetite for banquets and feasts, complete ruin could be feared.

That is why Telemachus said: And that is why Telemachus proposed them to feast themselves elsewhere, giving them formal notice to fhe his palace in front of the Ithacan assembly. For Telemachus saw these young men who Beneficiary wanted for beautiful queen his mother with unwanted attentions and wasted his wealth as a disease I want the relationship penelope had an outrage to decency.

And it was her, they argued, who had forced them to act as they did. For she had fooled them during three years with The Shroud of Laertes, saying that she would marry once she had finished this piece of work.

But she, deceiving everybody, unravelled by night what she wove by day, and so, they reasoned, in order to avoid to be fooled again, they would have to stay and undermine the palace's finances until she decided to abandon her reluctant attitude. These were the means by which the SUITORS expected to force Penelope to make a choice, and by letting Relationsuip suffer and see his wealth consumed, they hoped that he would persuade his mother to marry one of them.